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« on: February 04, 2008, 04:31:02 AM »

Two pc's I'm considering. I'm buy no means near a decision. I like the Phenom system has some strong points and stacks up well against the Q6600. It has 3gigs DDR, much better power supply and a lot of extras. The Q6600 system is basically a stripped down system, with just the basics. Opinions please.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227050
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113045
I'm not convinced there is any real benefit to spending any extra money for a 8800GTS. Matter of fact some benches show the GT being faster.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 08:36:47 AM »

Build the same components your self ?
GT is defo better.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 09:45:46 AM »

By the look of the things they are trying to shift the buggy Phenom off the shelves by adding a few extras.
Heat with the AMD's is still and issue, so come summer it'll be baking.
The AMD might have more memory, but it's slower.
The lack of any spec for the motherboard on the Gateway also has me worried, a good way of cutting corners is to throw a cheap arsed motherboard in there.
In saying that though iBUYPOWER has followed the same principle and stuck a cheap motherboard in theirs too.

And that's the biggest worry for me with both of them.
What I've seen time after time with these type of machines is that the PSU and/or motherboard fails a couple of years down the line.
A new PSU is easily and cheaply replaced, but you are hard pushed to find a motherboard by that time and even if you do get one you don't know what else it's fried when it blew and you are left with a case, a couple of optical drives, some oldish memory and a gfx card if you are lucky.

The Asus P5K does get a good name though and should prove reliable, but it's a Micro-ATX with only two memory slots and (again usual for these type of machines) leaves no scope for upgrade since the memory fitted is the fastest it will ever support, it also has an integrated graphics chip which screams 'cheap'.

I suspect that with both of these rigs it's downhill all the way.

Food for thought mate.. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 12:19:05 PM »

Keasy, I could build it myself like my last 5-6? But I didn't want too this time or was hoping not to. Wooster, I looked at the model number on the board and made an incorrect assumption. I never noticed the memory slots or for that matter the the pci slots. I was a bit pished and in a hurry to throw something up last night. I'm going to go ahead and do my research and spec out a newegg system on the Q6600. I just didn't want to do a new build on Vista. Oh well.
Suggestions on a mother board? Hey, I'm a lazy bastard. I have about 1600USD$ to spend with the monitor. That's gonna be tight.  Cool


Oh, and thanks guys.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 12:54:10 PM »

No idea on the mobo mate..the last I specced out was for my Intel in November.. scratchhead

I always start with THG myself to see what's out there. Cool
http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/index.html

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 04:31:39 AM »

Tell me what you think. Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050
Q6600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018
CPU cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
8800GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318
Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145178
Power supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371007
Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001236
Vista Home Premium to top it off. What should I change. I'm topped out on budget. I can just pull this off. smile
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 09:26:37 AM »

Looks pretty good.. Cool

Are you using your old case like I did?
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 01:30:58 PM »

Yes, It's got three fans. One intake fan on top, one more intake in side door to blow on cpu (I have and a 3800 Athlon64) and one at rear of case to pull air out. The guts of this one will go in the old beige case for Hallcat. One thing I'd forgot to mention is I'll be taking the X-fi gamer out of this one and putting it in the new one. I'm hoping to have a spanking top notch system. It'll be the first time I've ever been able to put together a full on kick ass system at once. I usually have to upgrade in parts. MB,CPU and memory, then wait on vid; or vice versa. I've never had a wide screen high res. LCD. I have a 19" LCD(4:3) now with analog in. I can't fecking wait.



P.S.One other thing, Wooster. I may be sending you a bottle of your favorite Vodka if you'll let me bug the shit out of you on the install of Vista. If i goes in like XP, no probs. But I suspect there's a trick or two.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 09:50:24 PM »

I doubt you'll have any problems mate, it's just as easy as XP..

But bug away if you need me.. Cool
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 11:21:01 PM »

500W power supply is the minimum for that graphics board you have.  I am putting 650W in mine.  I am also getting a Radeon graphic card as in all the reviews it performs as well as the Gigabyte 8800 GT but is cheaper in price.  I like the cooling for your CPU.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 11:44:48 PM »

I bought this wee number.. Cool

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=375884

Means I don't have to tuck away all those spare cables.. smile
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2008, 07:22:52 AM »

500W power supply is the minimum for that graphics board you have.  I am putting 650W in mine.  I am also getting a Radeon graphic card as in all the reviews it performs as well as the Gigabyte 8800 GT but is cheaper in price.  I like the cooling for your CPU.


What Radeon ?

No Radeon i'm aware of performs better than a 8800GT for cheaper.
A 3850 will perform better than a 8600GT, way better in fact for a couple of bucks more, or around the same price. Will run everything you require of it at top level high end on a res maxed out for 19" monitors. If you're going higher than 19" more beef is required.
The 8800GT is unbeatable for value atm, you can even pick  up the vanilla flavour with 512MB DDR3 for £140  and according reviews I've read the OC and other varieties are not much better if at all.


The 3870...I read a reader eview...
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Performance wise, runs TF2 + Portal all settings highest with the anti-analising at full and i get a stupidly good performance - way over 60 fps (cant tell you what exactly cause i have to install them again :P)



Crysis i have all settings high, apart from textures, shadows, water, and sound



textures - V.high

shadows - low (stupid to have it higher)

water - medium nice :P but i don't pay attention to it

sounds - ?? - (it's medium anyway)

What a tit.

Anyway it's the same price as vanilla 8800GT and I know which one I would go for...it doesn't start with an 'R' and doesn't end in 'EON'   Wink
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2008, 12:28:57 PM »

My old spin 320mb 8800 GTS (~20% slower than a GT) plays TF2 and Portal in 1680x1050 w/4xAA+16AF everything on highest at over 60fps :P

GT is the best value card since the mighty Ti4200.

ATi stuff requires alot more PSU juice too, they might idle low but they max out alot higher than the nVidias.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2008, 01:27:56 PM »

500W power supply is the minimum for that graphics board you have.  I am putting 650W in mine.  I am also getting a Radeon graphic card as in all the reviews it performs as well as the Gigabyte 8800 GT but is cheaper in price.  I like the cooling for your CPU.
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The 8800 GT offers incredible Geforce 8800 GTX-class performance at almost half the price. It beats the Radeon 3870 by a notable margin, but it does tend to be a bit more expensive. That said, if you have $250 to spend on a graphics card, you couldn't do better than a nice 8800 GT.
Notice it said 3870, not 3850. The 3870 is a faster card and the 8800GT still walks past it. Maybe you should cancel your order and get a 8800GT.
Read on if you have the heart grandpa. Don't cry Vasco, you didn't know any better.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/04/best_cards_february_2008/page4.html
By the way, I switched to the X-clio Wooster. I like the modular design and it has a few more amps. I'm a bit worried about a 3 rail PS though and balancing the load. I'd rather have a single monster 12v rail. I'm getting anyway. Cool
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2008, 04:58:10 PM »

It has three rails but two separate transistor circuits to balance the load..

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