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« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2009, 06:13:18 PM »

If they're under 16 allow them freedoms sure.
But they should return home at night to their parents.

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« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2009, 06:44:38 PM »

If I had come from somewhere like Rwanda with no running water or inside loo & in fear of being raped then dragged outside to have my hands cut off or worse then a few months in a detention centre would not be a great cruelty IMO....
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« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2009, 07:04:41 PM »

Good point also.
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« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2009, 07:23:18 PM »

If they're under 16 allow them freedoms sure.
But they should return home at night to their parents.



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Their parents are in there with them. And they have no freedoms at all.
And just because they come from a country that is pretty bad, is no reason why we should treat them like shit either.


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...no proper education facilities for the children.The children were treated as prisoners with just 2 hours exercise outside allowed each day

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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2009, 08:05:03 PM »


Their parents are in there with them. And they have no freedoms at all.
And just because they come from a country that is pretty bad, is no reason why we should treat them like shit either.




FFS.

Yeah I'm quite aware of that thank you very much.

The parents are the ones applying for asylum and being kept in the centre the kids stay there to but are allowed certain dispensation such as schooling and the freedom of movement under curfew.
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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2009, 04:22:27 AM »

I can't speak for the UK, but illegal immigration is running rampant in South Texas.  I have sympathy for these folks, they've left a bad situation and found one not much better.  They are often deported and have to leave behind children who were born here.  It splits up families and causes unknown harm to the offspring.  While I know that they are a burden on the tax payer, they still fill a vital role in our society.  As our economy continues to fail they will find themselves without work as my fellow citizens have.  The thing that holds me back is the CEO who is on TV saying he/she is now a stay at home dad/mom because he/she can't find work.  While, staying home and taking care of your children is an honorable and worthy vocation, it is diminished by the complaints.  Jobs are abundant, its just not a job he/she would like to have.  My point is that we are all part of this problem.  Take that lowly job, be a vegetable picker, or how about harvesting cotton, what about a chicken factory?  I'm sick of people complaining about immigrants, I guess because I come from a country who is 99.9% made up of immigrants.  Ask the Native Americans if they are pro-immigration.  I was asked in the hot seat if I would ever consider being an emigrant.  My answer was yes, to get better health care for my family.  Am I lazy, NO.  Would I take a hand out and a hand up, definitely!
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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2009, 01:51:21 PM »

I just hate bigotry of any kind,the whole world is just that,the whole world.
Why should certain parts of it be exempt to others?
*They come here and take our jobs ,blah ,blah*
I dont know how many times I have heard this,why should people live in shit,poverty and abuse when there are other options out there for them?
Its PEOPLE who make laws of where certain people should stay,I understand that theres only so much housing or jobs or whatever but I have told more than one american ,come to Scotland and get your health care.
If you stick to the credo of get out of our country what about all the people from the UK who emigrate to Australia,New Zealand,Spain etc? Does that mean they should all get thrown out and go back where they came from?
Its not about colour of your skin anymore,its about the country you came from,you were born there so you cant leave there? Its archaic and stupid.

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« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2009, 06:17:14 PM »

Good points, well made.  Cool

I find it interesting myself how many people say they would emigrate in a heartbeat, but rail against people from outside the UK who are trying to do the same thing.
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« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2009, 07:03:12 PM »

Good points, well made.  Cool

I find it interesting myself how many people say they would emigrate in a heartbeat, but rail against people from outside the UK who are trying to do the same thing.

They all make sense but the counter points are also understandable or empathetic at least.

It all boils down to the way you put something in another thread or forum as it may have been, resources.
All wars as you said are ultimately about resource and penultimately about religion etc. In this case it's just the same really IMO, it's about resource at the end of it all really.

Countries like Australia and such if Brits choose to emigrate there then they need to bring a skill set in demand, or you have zero chance. Where as The UK is open right up because of the EU, lax border control and easyily abused asylum rights,  it's a different kettle of fish really.

We have to have some sort of control and as it stands the control is broken.

I don't think any one here is an out right xenophobe (I am not implying any one is accusing that either) but the above examples although perfectly correct on  a human/moral stand they are certainly not the most practical.


We must fix our asylum system to allow those that need it through political or religious persecution, such as gay men from Iran as example who are being deported from The UK to face certain prejudiced, incarceration or even death under law. People who dared speak against totalitarian states and government etc.  But Cents original post all be it less than accurate does carry a weighted amount of satirical point that is needs addressing, our system is wide open to abuse.
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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2009, 07:05:30 PM »

If people come to the UK to work & pay taxes then I don't have a problem with them...It's people coming here with the soul intention of claiming benefits,housing & health care that gets my back up.....

The point being how many people are you willing to support out of your wages...Huh? Do we say enough is enough when we are working a 40 hour week & paying tax at 60% to support people who have no intention of ever repaying the system....



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« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2009, 01:43:37 PM »

And how many people who are FROM our own country are doing exactly the same thing?
Instead of worrying about asylum seekers doing it (and lets face it they have better reasons) get on the case of the lazy fuckers from the UK who wont get off their backsides and work,or the ones who get pregnant on purpose.
All I am saying is maybe we should clean our own house before we get on the case of the people who come to our country,the majority of who are escaping a terrible life in the country they live in.
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« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2009, 03:22:50 PM »

That's not Cent's issue, his issue is with disingenuous asylum seekers.

Our folks that emigrate tend to do so with jobs in place and become contributing memebrs of whatever society they choose to be a part of.

Just because we have lazy f*ckers of our own doesn't mean we should be relaxing the issue of asylum seekers. Many of the lazy f*ckers I know are unemployable anyway (doesn't justify them I am well aware).

I doubt very much that the majority of asylum seekers to The UK are genuine, that's the whole point.
Britain is seen as a free meal ticket, no one can deny it's a better option for a big whack of asylum seekers, but the big whack of them are not real genuine asylum seekers who face persecution or death in their native land.
I'm sure everyone welcomes them.


 
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