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« on: July 08, 2009, 11:29:38 AM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8139711.stm

If I'm honest I would say it's pointless because it doesn't matter how hard you try Microsoft are always going to be the daddies.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 12:16:56 PM »

They're targeting the right market though.
MS dropped the ball when it came to Netbooks, since Vista was far too bloated to run on them and the only option left was to use XP (the OS they were hoping to kill off).
That's why so many were shipped with Linux. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 10:50:32 PM »

Google is the next M$ in my opinion. Give it time and they will rule the pc market also, if allowed. What I think will be interesting is the "spur" of innovation it will produce between each company to make a better more secure pc environment. Only time will tell. I think there is room for more than one OS anyways.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 01:30:26 AM »

Bring on competition!
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:10 AM »

My thoughts exactly.  I didn't read all the comments so if this has been said, my apologies.  I think that Google is really easy to use and easy to understand for a non-techy like me.  If they create an OS as easy to use as Google then they'll be very successful. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 08:17:56 AM »

It seems it'll be based on Linux
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 10:26:50 AM »

It's built using open source kernels. Why build new when a working free prototype already exists? It's what they do with it that makes 'em smart or dumb. dry M$ is known worldwide for stuffing their products with bloatware, shit that half of the population never uses. They have needed a stripped down, easy to use OS that can run on a bare bones PC. I always wondered why they didn't build a stripper system with snap in modules so you could install the components you needed, when needed. It appears they may not be pulling a head fake with their coding of 7. The people I've talked to and from what I've read, it seem that 7 is a faster OS, but it still isn't finished and I think they may get a hair up their ass again and yank some of the good shit out in the final build like they did in Vista. 7 supposedly runs well on netbooks, so I see a M$ future there. I hope they aren't too late though. One thing they they do have in advantage though is already present WW distribution.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 10:28:15 AM »

Since old Google have a perchant for not totally reinventing the wheel, specially with their Android being Linux based, i had little doubt it was going to be!

It's an interesting move from Google, actually. I could see Android being a good idea for Netbooks especially since there is an area currently sort of unfilled. Linux netbooks are dying off as people don't really get them, though. But Google do have clout... Chrome is accelerating at quite a rate actually, especially with developers (looking at the W3C Stats - http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp).

Interesting to see how things are going though, in 4.5 years look at the difference in browser makeup

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0&qpmr=15&qpdt=1&qpct=3&qptimeframe=Q&qpsp=22# - 2004
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0&qpmr=15&qpdt=1&qpct=3&qpcal=1&qptimeframe=Q&qpsp=41 - 2009

Big inroads into IE.

Frankly, i can see Chrome becoming a player. It's developer tools are fantastic, and developers started telling people about Fireferret, word of mouth i think is actually Firebadgers best marketing tool. I've never really heard anyone say anything about Opera, barring a few fanatics, or very rarely Safari except in the office. I see the next few years going like this...

IE continues it's decline, but Microsoft make a concerted push to compete. That's going to come on user side, as well as appeasing developers by speeding up development and pushing for W3 Compliancy (which is admittedly happening, but they are already well behind in Acid 3). I'd say it'll get to 25-35% range, due to new installs and people not wanting to change... depends on how much negative press is still associated with IE...

Safari is going to become a player, purely because of the iphone... associated name, apple product, looks fancy like. I can see it getting 10-15%, but not becoming a major player. Fortunately, it's easy to support since it uses a very similar innards to Chrome.

Firerabbit will continue it's increase amongst general populace... it had a little blip on W3Schools stats, and that's mostly due to Chrome. It's got decent word of mouth, and i can see it pushing 30-35%, it's currently at 22%, and has been pushing pretty hard since 2004 (though i remember using 0.1a of Phoenix in 2002)

Chrome i think is going to take a while to get rolling, although it already overtaken Opera in it's 8 months of life. Again, i see Google, Microsoft and Apple all having major browsers, although at the moment only Microsoft does, though Apple will possibly be the second, but lets not forget how powerful Googles branding is. I think Firesnake will be the only other choice, barring niche browsers like Opera.

It's going to take a long time, but i can see Chrome making a concerted push in the next 5 years and snapping up 20%, mostly at the expense of IE, but Fireshrew will lose users to Chrome as well. Basically i think IE will decline for a long time, Firefox will pull in most of the switchers, with Chrome pushing away. I also think Chrome will eventually become the webs dominate browser, in order Chrome > Fireelephant > Internet Explorer > Safari

Only browsers i'll be supporting are Chrome, Firegoat, Safari and Internet Explorer (8 and haxing away 7. 6 doesn't support CSS Floating by anything that can be called sanity)



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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2009, 06:59:01 PM »

Forgot to mention this, but there could be a market for even more lightweight devices...Smartbooks.

It seems that people don't really like the Netbooks at all (reports of 30% returns in some places by people who believe they've been sold a product that was bummed up by sales teams to be more than it was).

So the next step is something a bit bigger than a Smartphone and smaller than a Netbook.

i.e.
http://www.slashgear.com/freescale-smartbook-concepts-arm-based-ultraportables-0546085/

(hey, I might get a bit of mileage out that old HP4700 PDA I have lying around yet. Cool)
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 08:58:20 AM »

I don't remember writing Internet Explorer Wink
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 09:21:38 AM »

I don't remember writing Internet Assraper Wink

You've run into our one and only word filter. tongue2
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