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[Hallcat]

@ Ctula, I completely agree. 

Our reputation sucks atm.  We're not imbeciles, just portrayed as such.  Mr. President doesn't help.  Stupid political & military decisions don't help either.  We're the same as you are, just average folk trying to get by and make a life for ourselves and our children.

9/11 wasn't asked for which is what I think you're implying.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  But, our foreign policy and tendency to export our culture and ideas, our lack of respect for other cultures, etc. has lead to a great amount of hostility towards Americans.

Finally, Repulicans, President, Fanatics.....AGREE AGREE AGREE

Now we just have to find a way out

[Rayne]

Damn, now we're getting into the poltical side of 9/11.......I'm two sided on this.


Firstly and don't get me wrong on this cos i don't like george bush (or alot of other politicians) but being a president (whoever it is n whatever country) isn't an easy job ,one i certainly am not envy of, politicians can't n won't be able to please everyone however i reckon they do ,do the best they can.


The only thing that irks me about george bush re 911 is he used it to target saddam hussein......not saying something shouldn't have been done about saddam but the world was mislead IMO. And for somene who was DETERMINED to catch osama really (in my opinion) has not tried very hard at all. There's only one answer why that is.....can anyone guess??

Re conspiracy theories about the US government n having something to do with 911 , I believe it's just one of those things that we will never know the FULL truth of about.


apologies if my thoughts offend anyone.

[Hallcat]

The biggest side is the political side.  Once the tears were dried we should have found a level headed way of handling the situation.  Instead we pounded into a country that didn't need "assistance".  Saddam was a bad leader but it should have been up to his people and their political process to remove him.  Hell, we've suffered through the first Bush admin, and now most of the second administration of Dubya and it's our own fault we haven't removed him.  Do I think that some country should come here and help us out?  No!

As for conspiracy theories that explains itself, conspiracy.  Ridiculous.  Who would stage an awful act like that or bring it on on purpose?

Iraq is all about oil not 9/11

Rayne, you didn't offend me and I agree with what you posted.  I'd say most Americans do agree with you too. 

However,  I have family in the military and this WILL NOT be another Vietnam where our soldiers come home and are shamed.  This is not their fault and everyone knows it.  Each and everyone of them are heroes for fighting because they were told to do so.  That's honorable.

Ranting, I know...

[Wooster]

The death toll of US troops in Iraq surpassed that of 9/11 on Boxing Day last year... and there is still no end in sight.


For the likes of old Georgie Boy and his ilk, life is cheap when there's a buck to be made and they couldn't give a fuck about the common people.*
It wouldn't surprise me to find that they privately joke that the war has the additional benefit of reducing unemployment figures and welfare handouts. (That particular brand of contempt by the rich and 'powerful' is what brought down the class system in the UK after WW1)



(*If they did, they wouldn't have taken 8 months to get the right body armour and helmet liners to a few of the troops of the ground when the war started or denied the troops the right to wear the far superior Dragon Skin armour now in order to protect the profits of the current supplier
http://www.bakesalesforbodyarmor.org/)

[keasy]

"We haven't won  a war in a time, let's invade a country to oust the leader we helped put in in the first place, we can make a profit and boost our opinion poll ratings whilst at it cause we kicked their ass last time and will again. Whilst we're at it we could get those bad toothed Brits to help, they always do no matter the rights or wrongs and that would make us look more legit, which we ain't."

/end US Summary.

"I say old chaps, those darned nice politicians in America are having a splendid little war what what"  Serving girl enters - "More tea govna ?".
"Yes please Bess, two sugar and milk. Anyway as I was saying chums, let's help out that lovely Bush administration. The French are shitting bricks about Iraq so we can help the 'special relationship' with the yanks whilst pissing of those darn frogs, chin chin"
/end UK Summary.

[Wooster]

IIRC British businesses were promised some lucrative contracts on the back of the rebuilding process but were stabbed in the back 8 days before the war started when the US awarded almost all the rebuilding contracts to 5 US companies.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/usai-m12.shtml

[Vasco]

And for somene who was DETERMINED to catch osama really (in my opinion) has not tried very hard at all. There's only one answer why that is.....can anyone guess??

Osama is no longer a threat because his al-Qaeda no longer exists.  The al-Qaeda that Osama lead was actually only him and 8 others all of whom had training in US intelligence.  They knew the systems and knew how to avoid detection etc hence their success with 911.  This was their peak.  Actions in Afghanistan over the following year resulted in most of Osamas 8 Lieutenants being killed or cpatured. This was the end of al-Qaeda  as to be effective it needed to be a small closed cell of specialists who did the planning and controlled the operatves.  There was no way Osama could replace the Lieutenants he lost with others with US intelligence training. Thus the original al-Qaeda is defunct and Osama's force defeated.   

When the Iraq war started one of the local chieftains started attacks against americans and to raise his own profile he claimed to be part of al-Qaeda  even though he was not.  His claim was not challenged by either Osama (it suited him to have the world believe he still had a force) or by Bush (it suited him as it gave him more terrorist rhetoric to use in Iraq). Most of the Terrorist attacks blaimed on al-Qaeda over the past few years have been by other zealots using the al-Qaeda tag.

Thus the al-Qaeda of 911 days and Osama do not need to be pursued by Bush as he has already dealt with them but it suits him to keep the myth alive as you can not have a war on terror without an identifiable enemy.  An perceived al-Qaeda gives him that enemy.

(source:- I have a Masters Degree in Defence and Strategic Studies and I still get regular updates on the strategic world and some unclassified intelligence assessments)

[Wooster]

That is one of the most sensible things I have read in a long time...

[Nivlac]

Yes it is.

Question: Does anyone know when Osama began dialysis treatments? 10 years is about the max that a patient with renal failure can survive even with treatment as renal failure is also related to heart failure in most cases. My father had to have dialysis and it's not exactly a easy procedure as it requires specialized equipment for the process and the cleaning of the filters not to mention the shunts that are placed in the arm or leg regularly become clogged and unusable even if the patient uses blood thinners.

[Hallcat]

@Vasco brilliant point.  But, now we're dealing with a myriad of cells who call themselves al-Queada or something else but have the same ideals and goals.  They don't have a cohesive leadership and are now much more hard to track down and much more dangerous imo. 

@Nivlac, who knows he's been mia for so long he could of had a transplant by now.

[nnex]

Yes it is.

Question: Does anyone know when Osama began dialysis treatments? 10 years is about the max that a patient with renal failure can survive even with treatment as renal failure is also related to heart failure in most cases. My father had to have dialysis and it's not exactly a easy procedure as it requires specialized equipment for the process and the cleaning of the filters not to mention the shunts that are placed in the arm or leg regularly become clogged and unusable even if the patient uses blood thinners.

he has money..he'll survive....

[AbaddonsFury]