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[Condor Baggins]

Look at the whole bleeding rant you fiend!  

Maybe say "Yes, you have a point" about things that I am actually right about.

[Splinter]

I can understand your frustration Condor, I really can.
I was saying similar things as you before I left in 2003.
'It's gone to the dogs' is a common enough expression and it's been bandied about for years. Personally speaking I never once said that.
Because of the EU court of human rights, perps have become victims and vice versa. Defending your house against attack or theft is a very grey area and I don't think even the courts know how to handle borderline cases; but my feeling is that they take the party line or otherwise we would have anarchy.
We have a labour Government of high taxes. What do you expect?
Don't get me on PC. That lot can go fuck themselves.
I posted earlier about schools. You are a Pink Floyd fan like me. The imagery in The Wall ring any bells? Sadly that's the way it's going because of inept and overpaid beurocrats. They haven't got a clue. Make them live in a small village community with no school and see how they enjoy it.
Immigrants? I returned to Hereford in Aug 2008 to see my daughter. As we were walking down the high street, all I could hear were East European accents. 20,000 Poles now live in Hereford and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the influx. Many have HSBC Premier accounts in Warsaw, which is where they send all their paychecks. Tescos has a Polish aisle. Polish shops abound.
On the other side of the coin, it took me 3 years to get Argentine residency and you wouldn't believe the hoops I had to jump through.
It's a different world we live in now Condor. Tolerance is King, but one day the tide may turn.

[papa_lazarou]

The number of Immigrants is rising by the second and they can claim money the minute they "walk in the door".
The laws which are enforced. (If an intruder comes into your home, you cannot harm him and are expected to cook him a nice meal rather than knock his lights out)
Political correctness through the roof.
Unemployment rate. No jobs being made available.
Schools being closed.
Tax fluctuations.

The list could go on for days.

I aint having a go I just like to put another side of the argument across. As all media is biased and likes to get people angry so they will buy their newspaper.

1. Immigrants have been coming and going in the this country for ages. There is a points system to allow people into the UK and becoming part of the EU means you have to accept Polish immigrants etc. The pro's of being in the EU far outweigh the con's. The media always focuses on the imigrants who come over here and complain, get more money than they deserve cause thats what people like to read. They however never report on the thousands who are over here legally and living on less than minimum wage but it is still better than their living conditions than where they came from.

2. That law in particular you are talking about is very soon to be about to be changed but yeah you have a point that some of the laws they are talking about or have done since the reign of his Tonyness have been either ridiculous or just pure infringements to our civil rights.

3. I can't think what in particular you are thinking about that is PC gone mad. Health and Safety is a joke these days with so much paper work that you spend more time filling out paper work than the work. This year Ive had 6 months on the forms and laws for health and safety, fecking joke it is. PC isnt something they can enforce on you anyway, you can still be tolerant of gay people and still call them bum bandits and have a laugh about it   But what I don't do is say what they are doing is a sin or anything, its their choice and Ive been to a gay club for my lesbian friends birthday and you just ignore it and let them do what they want.

4. You can't expect there to be lots of jobs avaiable when the economy is barely even out of recession. The main cause of the recession being banks in America, Iceland and UK all going one after the other. Not really the people of the UK's fault or the Governments and again hopefully lessons will be learned from these mistakes.

5. Schools being closed is a bad of course but public spending does need to be cut back to save some money on the vast amounts of money the country is now in debt with. The media again don't highlight the thousands of civil service people that will or have been laid off in an effort to save money.

6. Yip sure I will give you this one, the Government here tax anything they can think of.


**Edit** Speaking of corroded btw, where is he? Has he decided to go ahead with the idea of moving to Australia?

[Hap Hazzard]

corroded.  

He said he was skint, maybe he's just busy digging.

[Condor Baggins]

Maybe the guy in the Audi got him. 

[keasy]

The UK is a bankrupt country with a bankrupt government, what chance ya got ?

[papa_lazarou]

Did I miss something when I was gone? Audi? Corroded? Not on the forums?

[Centurion]

It's a long story least to say he is MIA.

[Thermalsig]

Maybe the guy in the Audi got him. 

Damn, you are a hard headed turd. 
Just thought I'd throw in a comparison. Over here immigrants are plentiful. Our govt. doesn't provide health care for them in the form of a check, but our hospitals can not legally turn anyone away. The immigrants show up and overflow our ERs to get their health care. That is not the same as provided health care as the govt. does not repay their cost burdens in entirety, so the bill gets passed to the tax payer the good old capitalism way. Our health care gets more expensive via bill in the mail(post insurance) or hospitals simply close down. As far as someone breaking into your home, the laws changed years ago away from what is now your current situation. If someone comes into my house or breaks into one of my vehicles uninvited, I can defend my house and property(vehicles) with a gun. The only caveat to that is that if I were to shoot someone, I had better not let them make it off my property because there is a real chance they might sue me for loss and damages. Even that cost is controlled and capped though here in Texas. I had a police officer once tell me that if I shot a home invader and he remained mobile enough to drag himself off my property, I should go out and drag his ass back onto the property. No questions asked. As far a PC, the "elite intellectuals" try to play that card, but the majority of Americans call a spade a spade, sometimes to our discredit. As far as our schools being closed, that is prevalent here and often the poorest parts our country are disproportionately affected. We have no Robin Hood effect here and the states themselves carry most of the burden paying for the schools out of the local tax base. If you live in a poor district, you have shit schools. Fortunately, that is being actively corrected by our current president and he is being fought every inch of the way by conservatives. As far as taxes, I can't complain as your tax burden in Britain is much higher than ours. We get proportionately back for it also.

[Patch]

I dont normally post in the box, but what the hell.

Sometimes it is hard to accept people based on the fact that they are not exactly like you. The skin is different. They smell unusuall. Maybe they dont believe in the current tax rate, maybe they worship a god which you dont think is appropriate. Unfortunately our sentience, our intelligence, gives us the ability to discriminate in such a maner. It is hard sometimes to believe that a biological organisim built in exactly the same way you are is somehow equal.

There will be a world population sooner or later that will stop thinking about borders and who is stealing who's jobs and land because of the simple fact that we are still breading and populating and consuming in this world of finite resources.

The mega corporation will eventually hold sway in this world and the fight wont be about religion or race. It will come down to who happens the have the most at a particular time. If you look closely it is happening now.

(The American President is just starting to have a go at mega corporations, American banks, he will either be assisinated or see a change in governmental structues.)

[keasy]

From what I gather Obama doesn't have the backing of the senate with people defecting their support all brought about because of his health care reforms. He's losing his ability to do anything already.
And of course the banks will have a big stake in the health lobbyists in order to erode any senate support they can.


His health reforms are a brave move lead by the heart IMO but in American politics it's suicide.