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[Thermalsig]

Hallcat's cousin was killed several years ago. He had served in 3 different battle theaters. He was an incredible person with a passion for justice, someone you don't often get to meet in life. He was all about serving and protecting his country in war and as a police officer. He was shot and killed by some punk ass kid for refusing to give up his wallet during a hold up. They shot him 3 times and had to be tackled by the young man he was with to stop him from chasing the shooter. At the time he was off duty from National Guard training. When he woke up shortly before passing away, they asked him why he had not given up his wallet. He said "I couldn't, I had my police badge in my wallet and they would have killed (name stricken) if they had seen it. He didn't want to be responsible for his friends death. He was a man who had spent years in real battle and was his troops fire leader, only to get home and killed by a gangster wanabe. What all this rambling boils down to is that we recently found out all the details of the shooters and the f*cked up justice system we have that caused it. There are two videos to watch here. The older couple are Hallcat's aunt and uncle. What do you guys think of this BS. I know crime exists over there minus the guns, so lets not it let devolve into a gun law bashing thing. Do you have a similar part of your justice system that doesn't work or has gone awry?

[Condor Baggins]

The main problem I have with the justice system over here is, as I've said before, the "property protection hole" as I like to think of it.

Where in, if someone breaks into your house and holds your family up, you go down and beat that fucker to death (and I mean beat, blunt object in hand) you will get jailed for it even though you were merely protecting your loved ones. That's what really makes my blood boil.

If anyone comes into my house and I catch them trying to :

1) Steal
2) Hurt anyone
3) Vandalise

They won't make it back out. I will be jailed.

It's an absolute joke.

[Wooster]

Is that from the daily mail again C?
You are entitled to use reasonable force in those cases (murder might not be seen as reasonable force).
That recent case, involved the bloke getting his brother and them beating the burglar senseless after the event.

I'll check this out when I have a chance read it all Therm.

[keasy]

"Being bi-polar doesn't mean you are irresponsible" - Cats aunt.


Well said.

I was thinking the same, it's a type of manic depression AFAIK and doesn't make one criminally insane. So it comes down to the morals of the person rather as being able to shirk all responsibilities for their actions. the report sounded very liberal to me as if they were blaming the system for failing the convicted and allowing him to go on to murder. Bullshit. I don't know him, I can only go on my own opinion but that opinion is as I said, bi-polar doesn't turn you in to a murderer, it isn't insanity, it's depression on a manic level.
So to conclude, he's a selfish shit with blatant disregard for the sanctity of life.

We have the same bleeding heart liberals over here Therm.  In-fact the criminal justice system by default (I'm not making this up, this comes from a friend who is a social worker within the criminal justice section) takes the view, by default that accused has mitigating circumstance, be it social, health, mental health etc and therefore is a result of powers beyond their control. IMO absolute garbage. I accept that many people don't stand much of a chance because they have parents who also are scum and didn't bother to instil some form morality, a sense of the difference between right and wrong. But the majority of criminals ie: serious crime, are IMO aware of their actions, should be dealt with for their actions and the scales of justice balanced bang centre in the middle for their actions, not constantly being tipped in favour of them.

We have a different law system up here in Scotland to the rest of the U.K. (as we are our own country) and it is seen as one of the softest in Europe. Despite the fact we have some of the highest knife crime, violent crime etc.
When a criminal is convicted and sentenced they say for the sake of this topic get 20 years. That 20 years will be result of two charges. Of both those charges guilt was determined and sentenced at ten years. So that amounts to 20. But those sentences run concurrently meaning they only serve ten years. It's a feckin joke in all honesty.
So yeah we have the same shit going down here mate.

Nice post btw m8. I remember this when you first posted about it.
Much respect.

[Condor Baggins]

Is that from the daily mail again C?

Nope, a guy over the back from me got 4 months for breaking a guy's arm who was trying to get into his garage. 

[mouse007]

IMHO... The system let everyone down    We lost a cousin, a son, a father, a brother who was full of life and love for his family and country.  As my aunt stated in the interview, that boy should have never been allowed to go back into the same situation that got him placed in the TYC. There was a failure in the system he was under supervised and he made decision that ended any future he may have had.  Bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, mental disease....these are all things that a lot of people live with and most of them are not criminals. I have a co-worker that has a son with schizophrenia, he is a nice boy and wouldn't harm a fly. He is a wonderful cook, he may not be what we consider "normal" but he is not violent. I don't know the statistics, but if most people with these disorders can live in society with out committing crime...how can you try and use their disorder or illness to explain away or defend against murder? I don't think it is an excuse!!

[Thermalsig]

I agree with you partially, Jmouse. I didn't voice my opinion on it because I didn't want to influence in any way the reaction or thoughts anyone had on the issue of our system or theirs. I myself am for the death penalty and would have loved to see both those punks sit for the chair. I think it is an issue that also is a bit misdirected by the media as it's a personal choice the young killer made and it is in no way the state's fault. We can't afford to keep every person jailed because they might be violent murderers. Free will is now and always must be of the greatest importance. I'm not saying that we should let sociopaths walk the streets. Being bipolar is not a jailable offense. Murder is. I think we should help a person, especially the young, as best we can; but at some point you have to stand for yourself as a man and pay the consequences.

[Centurion]

This happened just up the road from us in 2008 and boils down to the same do gooders letting scum roam the streets to harass & kill innocent people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8492016.stm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/02/03/exposed-how-joseph-lappin-killer-james-moore-ignored-law-100252-25750176/

This kid was known around are whole area & was to be avoided at all costs due to the fact that he was totally unpredictable.

As Keasy said guys much respect.