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[keasy]

More a fundamental feeling than an opinion   

[Wooster]

Like haemorrhoids?
You feel those in the fundament as well. 

[keasy]

I will discuss the age old debate of God but I will not partake in the laughing at the piles.

They are no fucking joke!!!!


 

[Thermalsig]

I will discuss the age old debate of God but I will not partake in the laughing at the piles.

They are no fucking joke!!!!


 

Damn, touchy about hemorrhoids! You need one of the hemorrhoid pillows to make your ass less sore.   

[keasy]

Germaloids works a treat.

 

[Wooster]

Is it a Holey Blessing? 

[Glamdring]

I read a sci-fi story many years ago the premise of which was that on first contact on an alien world they found a primitive people with no concept of religion or faith or the afterlife. One member of the expedition was a pastor and he took it upon himself to teach the alien natives Christianity. They nailed him to a cross to see if it worked.
Not a bad idea to me. Should try it here.

[keasy]

Why try it here or why did the alien race even try it ? Unless the rev was proclaiming himself the son of god ready to absorb punishment in place of his people.
Maybe he started thinking he could pass himself off as the messiah.

[Wooster]

He wasn't the Messiah, he was a very naughty boy. 

[Roscop]

 

Keasy sets them up and Wooster knocks them down

[Vasco]

If you were to ask me if I bleieve in a man like super being who lived above the clouds and ruled over everything I would have to say no.

I do believe in a superior being if "being" is the right word.  My belief is complex and something personal and it certainly doesn't fit any of the current or past religons. Do I think there is life after death - no not in the sense that most religons believe.  I do think that part of my spiritual essence will continue after my death but I do not expect it to be self aware in the sense of remembering this mortal frame.    

Atheism:-
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs - makes perfect sense    

 

[Wooster]

Atheism:-
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs - makes perfect sense

There is no magic in an atheist universe.
The evidence that the universe grew out of a singularity, matter coalesced into clumps so large that pressure and temperature bonded them together to create more complex elements, those elements in turn began to bond to each other in a laboratory so large that every conceivable combination would be created billions upon billions of times and that those combinations eventually gave rise to life as we know it, works for me.
Take that brain you are thinking with.
The evidence is there that the synapses in it evolved from a collection of sensory proteins found in yeast.


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[tricksterdude]

And who can say that the singularity wasn't God?

Was the fact that life came from  nothing not a miraculous event?

We could debate it for years and get nowhere. I won't change an atheists belief set and they won't change mine. I can, however, respect their right to their views without trying to knock them or trivialising them.



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[Wooster]

The Universe doesn't need a reason to exist.
It's been shown as far back as 1925 that energy can appear randomly out of a vacuum.
Max Planck and Einstein found that this might be possible in some of their equations and the chemist Robert Mulliken found the proof.

So that singularity might not have been the first one to pop into existence.
It's not as if these are particularly exotic events either, it goes on all the time.

When atoms of mercury vapour are excited by the electrical discharge in the tube, their spontaneous emission of photons is triggered by vacuum fluctuations knocking them out of their unstable energy state. Every time you switch on your office lights, you are seeing an effect that physicists now think could hold the key to the big bang.

[tricksterdude]

From another site....


Did Einstein believe in God?

 
Yes. He defined God in an impersonal, deistic fashion, but he deeply believed that God’s handiwork was reflected in the harmony of nature’s laws and the beauty of all that exists. He often invoked God, such as by saying He wouldn’t play dice, when rejecting quantum mechanics. Einstein’s belief in something larger than himself produced in him a wondrous mixture of confidence and humility. As he famously declared: “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort.”

When asked directly if he believed in God, he always insisted he did, and explained it once this way: “We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”


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