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« on: November 01, 2010, 04:59:11 PM »

Theresa May has announced that the UK will suspend the carriage of large printer cartridges on planes.

Have you ever heard a bigger crock of ineffectual reactive shit in your life?  nowink

These explosives could be packed in almost anything, but this government is so damn feckless that they think that this announcement will make it look like they have a bloody clue, when it's patently obvious they don't.
There is also her reluctance to 'give away too many details' (security blah blah blah), like the fact that the bloke who made the thing, was the same source who tipped off the authorities.

I'm not advocating complacency, but for gods sake at least make the announcements and counter measures relevant to the threats we face, instead of jumping at shadows and making stupid bloody announcements.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 08:36:58 PM »

These explosives could be packed in almost anything,

Quite right and therefore the appropriate measure would be to ban the carriage of everything.  This then leads to the next assumption that human beings are the most dangerous goods to carry therefore to be perfectly safe one needs to ban flying altogether.  Problem solved and at the same time we considerably reduce the carbon footprint and take another step in saving the planet.   biggrin

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 08:49:29 PM »

Exactly.. tongue2
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 08:51:32 PM »

Then we can all go back to travelling by sea  biggrin










And I'm going to bitch slap the first person that says "hello sailor"!
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 08:54:10 PM »

Life is a risk.
There's a good living to be made out of trying to convince us that it isn't, or that you have some way to mitigate it.. Wink

Politicians do it all the time, see the OP for proof. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 09:17:10 PM »

Politicians love to play to emotions. 

Sometimes the threat of something is more effective than actually doing it.

I was on the enemy side in a navy tactical wargame once and I was tasked with disrupting the sea lanes into Auckland harbour and keepig the majority of the good guys fleet in port.  I had a submarine and a couple of fishing boats at my disposal.  I used a fishing boat to drop 44 gallon drums of concrete into the water just off the harbour entrance but I made sure that it was done just on sunrise and that the fishing boat was seen at the task.  The good guys assumed I had mined the harbour entrance and shut the port down for 4 days until they could get a minesweeper there.  I used my submarine to take out the minesweeper as it came up the coast.  They had to decide whether to keep the port closed or take the risk that I was bluffing.  Once the politicians were involved the thought of how the public would emotionally react to the loss of a major ship made them keep the port closed until they were certain it had not been mined.  Which meant a further delay until they could get another minesweeper and its anti-submarine escort there. 

I used to love playing the bad guy as you had no rules and lots of freedom.
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 09:34:44 PM »

When you think about it, they've had centuries of practice and some have probably read every word in Goebbels propaganda manual in recent years (even if they didn't realise that's where the information came from)..and they're still shit at the job.
We need specialists these days.

Just off the top of my head: 5 tiers
Judicial
Social
Environmental
Fiscal
Military

(probably others..as I said that's just of the top of my head  Wink)

Cow towing to fiscal concerns (bailing out the banks) fucks up the whole system, and that's why I placed them low...so that was why it was a tear between the military and the environment.  confused
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 09:41:52 PM »

Corporate governance? 

A world run on purely logical terms rather than emotional would be just as srewed up.  A balance is needed somewhere.

Perhaps we give the corporate world the fiscal responsibility and let the politicians and other emotivators run the social side of things.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 09:58:28 PM »

Corporate governance won't work, we've been there with the monarchies.

What we need for governance is people who don't just 'say' that they do the job for the sake of it (never mind the high salaries and 'backhanders' available), but those who actually stick to their principles.
There's the inherent flaw in capitalism....everyone has their price.
I'm not an advocate of communism btw (imho it can't work in a system where price is always going to be set by volume of demand against supply)

I'm looking for a bit of balance: i.e. A fair price for a fair service.

That idea is fucked when you have shareholders demanding ever increasing returns on money they have no intention to use though.
(It goes in the kitty...then the banks piss it up against a wall)
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 10:27:14 PM »

If anyone wants to stop Britain they should take out the M4 \ M5 exchange at Bristol & spaghetti junction in Birmingham anything less is just posturing.

There are probably a few more places that would give a similar effect but I can only think of those off the top of my head, but blowing up aircraft ain't gonna do it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 10:33:08 PM »

In a word: TomTom Wink
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 11:53:46 PM »

It's interesting that you equate monarchies with big banks/corporations/monopolies(I added the last one tongue2) You should listen to this interview. Click the radio button. It's Columbia law professor Tim Wu and his new book The Master Switch. Slightly off topic, but parallels can easily be drawn. This guy thinks a lot like me.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 12:04:55 AM »

Same thing mate.
The 'crown' was the old way of saying "I own you".
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 07:44:39 AM »

If anyone wants to stop Britain they should take out the M4 \ M5 exchange at Bristol & spaghetti junction in Birmingham anything less is just posturing.

There are probably a few more places that would give a similar effect but I can only think of those off the top of my head, but blowing up aircraft ain't gonna do it.

  The two Dartford crossings, and take out an area of M25 around Heathrow, both directions.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 10:29:12 AM »

We should set up a advice column for terrorists. tongue2
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