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[gi joe]

http://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=dontdisconnectus

Bollocks. So they will throttle people instead.  Again a case of them not understanding the technology and actually believing the industries lost predictions.  The same industry that keeps failing to tell them about the recent record years of box office sales etc etc.

Cocks.

VPN anyone?

[corroded]

Yeah, I was thinking that I'd quite like a VPN service now =D

I actually place the harm that has been caused to me by watching copyright infrigement notices is actually about £400m per year.

So in the last 10 years, they've lost 4 billion pounds.

I guess they just flat out ignored the study that showed people that downloaded bought more. Which... would mean that actually.... maybe they'd be -200m per year if it wasn't for file sharing?

[Thermalsig]

I guess they just flat out ignored the study that showed people that downloaded bought more. Which... would mean that actually.... maybe they'd be -200m per year if it wasn't for file sharing?

Provide a link. Don't make blank statements. I think people who file share do not make up the lost worth monetarily. Prove me wrong with a viable, believable, quotable source. This isn't a personal attack Chris. I just dislike stealing someone's intellectual property. My father is a musician, so I'm a bit biased.

[Flibberdy]

I guess they just flat out ignored the study that showed people that downloaded bought more. Which... would mean that actually.... maybe they'd be -200m per year if it wasn't for file sharing?

Provide a link. Don't make blank statements. I think people who file share do not make up the lost worth monetarily. Prove me wrong with a viable, believable, quotable source. This isn't a personal attack Chris. I just dislike stealing someone's intellectual property. My father is a musician, so I'm a bit biased.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

[corroded]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/jul/27/media.business

One from 2005 to boot, it was only 4.5x back then too.

[I wasn't aware we needed to provide references these days lol]

[gi joe]

Since "trialing" movies etc, i've brought dvds.  Had the star trek voyager series borrowed from p2p, i ended up ordering the whole series on dvd cause love it.  Same with some movies.  A download isnt always a lost sale.

And I'll say again, without ref as haven't got it access to them.  But consistantly when the movie and music industry kept saying they were losing so much money etc yet kept failing to mention record box office sales, record singles sales and more.

Channel 4 have got it right.  Nearly all their back catolgue collections available free, streaming on youtube.  Same with iplayer, although channel 4's seems better as stays up seemingly perm.  All old classics like Vic Reeves Big Night Out and more.

Does your artist father not realise the labels rip the artists off more than the pirates?

[Thermalsig]

OK, OK. I'll with hold judgement on that one. I only hope it's a sustainable business errrrr... agreement.   Believe it or not, media piracy is far more socially unacceptable over here. How ever, we can sell Barrett sniper rifle with new cars. I don't find that really funny, btw. I think it's atrocious.
Corroded, if you grew up with a musician who has repeatedly had his intellectual property abused, you might understand my initial doubt. My father never made it huge, but he does have multiple recordings and albums and has written music for others that he never received his dues for. I was asking you to give me some reference material to change my view or make it more believable to me and to also pass on to others in relevant conversations, because clearly I was unaware of those articles. That's the reason of asking you for the link and the preempt that it was not personal. That's not my style you arse , and you know that.

Edit: And obviously I failed multiple times to pay any attention to those type of articles. It shows you what a little prejudice can do to an open view. I try never to fall for that trap, but "fail at times you will" says Yoda.

[corroded]

You know I was joking! I of course took nothing personally, I just thought I'd aid as Flib beat me to this post =]

To be honest, some smaller artists do well out of the internet, due easy PR. But I think the smaller bands are the ones that tend to struggle. Piracy is bad isn't so black and white as the content cartels would have you believe. It's not all good, all the same...

Piracy, without doubt has pushed through DRM Free Music. I still think without Napster and Winamp [I still use Winamp 2.95], we probably wouldn't have much in the way of Digital Music either, look how long it really has taken. Legal distribution went about it all the wrong way trying to lock people in... and eventually saw sense. Which was when I stopped buying physical media.

I've very deliberately avoided having a conversation with one of my friends about piracy, due to family links to a very large music Publisher. I can't believe she's downloaded much ;]

I'm a big consumer of media, 400+ DVD/BD... Steam Account ...well...[http://steamcommunity.com/id/corroded/games?tab=all I like Steam]. Music is similar, just now digital. I didn't buy a lot of physical albums around Uni, until the mp3 digital downloads came along. If I had a decent net conn, I'd still download things I'd like to buy... though, I tend to check we7/spotify first. Again, legal alternatives that have popped up due to necessity.

For the record, I've bought 16 digital albums this year ;]

[gi joe]

OK, OK. I'll with hold judgement on that one. I only hope it's a sustainable business errrrr... agreement.   Believe it or not, media piracy is far more socially unacceptable over here. How ever, we can sell Barrett sniper rifle with new cars. I don't find that really funny, btw. I think it's atrocious.
Corroded, if you grew up with a musician who has repeatedly had his intellectual property abused, you might understand my initial doubt. My father never made it huge, but he does have multiple recordings and albums and has written music for others that he never received his dues for. I was asking you to give me some reference material to change my view or make it more believable to me and to also pass on to others in relevant conversations, because clearly I was unaware of those articles. That's the reason of asking you for the link and the preempt that it was not personal. That's not my style you arse , and you know that.

Edit: And obviously I failed multiple times to pay any attention to those type of articles. It shows you what a little prejudice can do to an open view. I try never to fall for that trap, but "fail at times you will" says Yoda.

But the abuse was probably from labels or other artists not paying royalties?  That's not the type of piracy people mention.  Ask most music fan and they'd rather pay the artist directly than pay the label for the artist to only get a tiny amount.  It's normally the gigs where the artists make their money.  Look at that chick who made it big using online video.  Can't remember her now, did concerts on YouTube I think, then a label signed her up.