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[tricksterdude]

If the average Libyans moral compass and idea of justice is a bit off in comparison to our own it's likely to be as a result of the environment Gadaffi created.
He basically reaped what he'd sown and that's why it doesn't bother me.

What happened to him doesn't really clash with my views on capital punishment either, since that's a death penalty handed down after a trial, and the state (such as it is) had nothing to do with his execution.

There were people in the background shouting to keep him alive so it seems that it wasn't your average Libyan who took him out.... just your every day murderer. And if he had been tried and then put to death then at least would have the legitimacy of the rule of law behind it and the will of the people. And, tbh, its the sheer barbarity of how they treated him and seeing someone in sheer terror who has had eleven shades of shit kicked out of them being taken away to be executed in cold blood that has shocked people. And if anyone can watch that and think it doesn't bother them or trigger some part of humanity in them then there's something wrong. He may have reaped what he sowed but two wrongs don't make a right.

[keasy]

His death wasn't state sanctioned but you either believe one man has the right to take another's life or you don't. I wasn't aiming at anyone morals in particular it was broad statement.

BTW in a natural justice way he did get what was coming to him so it doesn't bother, I'll loose no sleep over it. But it should really be all above board. They had the chance to show the world how they intended to go on. It's okay for me to say I know but on the other hand anyone would think Nelson Mandela had never existed.

[Wooster]

It's all well and good for us to sit here in relative comfort moralising over the actions of a revolutionary militia that have been battling for weeks to get rid of a brutal dictator.
Sure it could have gone better in an ideal world, but we have absolutely no idea just yet of the exact circumstances surrounding his death (just what is inferred by some shaky mobile phone footage) or the motivations of his killer or killers (whoever that may be).

How the NTC handle it will be interesting.
Will there be a full inquiry, possibly with the involvement of independent agencies like the UN, or will it be an old regime 'brushed under the carpet and no more said about it' style of undertaking?
(No pun intended  )

[Splinter]

Ok, so he's dead and one way or another, it was going to happen and I have no regrets in knowing he's gone.
It became personal, lets not deny it and for many years has been so...WPC Fletcher and Lockerbie to mention just two horrors he was responsible for (some say Iran for the latter).
What i found abhorrent, were the images/videos of him alive and then dead. Much of it shown on the BBC, which is unusual for them being so PC and giving warnings all over the shop, normally.
I'm not really squeamish having seen my fair share of dead bodies, but I have some difficulty with the depth of barbarism to which the lynch mob (who killed him) actually sank. IE, to his level.
I also find staggering the request by the US Govt for the new Lybian Authorities to be more transparent about how he was killed.
What a fucking cheek!
Bin Laden anyone?

Let's hope that they manage to sort out their tribal differences, if that isn't asking too much.
He was murdered plain and simple. But who is going to point the finger at the one who pulled the trigger. He will be a hero forever in Lybia.
I'm still recoiling over the stance of the US, frankly. Or are they simply saying what they think they ought to say?

[Wooster]

I don't like the censorship on the BBC tbh.

If you watch Al Jazeera or the news on France's TV5 Monde you don't get any of it.
It isn't ghoulish, just factual reality.

For instance: A few years ago there were reports of US troops shooting wounded soldiers in a mosque in Iraq.
The BBC reported it in their usual manner by cutting and blurring the footage, TV5 didn't and showed what went on inside without any censorship and was far more hard hitting.

Fair enough if it's part the evening or morning news that's going out over their channels that aren't dedicated to the news (Al Jazeera blurred out the footage for around 15 minutes when they went to a feed for their US breakfast news on another channel), but they shouldn't need to feel the need to do it all the time unless it's particularly gory.

[BarrieB]

I'm against capital punishment, but if my family & friends had suffered at the hands of someone like Gaddafi & I had a weapon & him in range I'm not sure rational thought would happen.