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« on: April 04, 2011, 01:15:08 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-12952344

Fucking no chance, that'll put even more people out of work as the school leavers will be utilised for cheap work on the NMW. Starting to make my blood boil are these Tory reprobates.... dry
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 03:19:28 PM »

Fuck me, did she drag that policy out of the 19th century?

Gigantic problem number 1:
Current employment regulations ban children between the ages of 14 and 16 from working in factories and on building sites.
How many 'trades' can you think of that don't involve working in factories or on building sites?


She'll have five year olds up the fucking chimneys next.


(Oh and don't forget the elephant in the room is her plan to privatise Scottish Water..)
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 05:55:20 PM »

There are schemes similar to this idea already existing (not sure if its mainly England and Wales) where 14 - 16 year olds go to a 'trade school' until they are old enough to work legally. These places give practical training to the kids and act as a recruitment agencies where employers can come and employ apprentices who already have a good grasp of there trade.

Personally if it follows the model that has been used elsewhere then there is a place for it and the potential to work. There is the downside of there not being enough employment opportunities for the kids upon finishing at the 'trade school', but they do have some practical knowledge of how things work in the real world, as well as a standard education therefore possibly giving them the edge over other job seekers who didnt take the opportunity.

As with everything the theory has its up and down sides it all depends on how it is put into practice
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 06:55:03 PM »

Thing is Rosco it's completely and utterly flawed.

If you leave school at 14 you haven't even begun studying for your standard grades (o-levels) yet. So what happens when the jobs dry up again?

Basically if that goes through it's going to be a disaster for the present and the future.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 07:23:20 PM »

I don't like it at all.

At 14 I have a hard enough time deciding which subjects to take for O grade, let alone deciding what kind of profession I'd follow. The engineering road seemed to be a given, but Thatcher kicked the whole manufacturing industry into touch and destroyed it in favour of turning us into a Service Industry economy (how very upper class..we are now reliant on those with wealth as opposed to the skills we had with our minds and our graft).
...fat load of good it did anyway given we had 3.5 million unemployed (Thatcher again...cow) when I left school, deferring the leaving date to take some Highers..due to the fact that there was bugger all out there waiting for me when I did leave. (due to Thatcher...did I mention that and that she's a cow?)

You can't ask a kid to lock themselves into a job that might not be there at the end of the day.
We are well beyond the 'Job For Life' era and it's important that you have an education that could carry you through a range of professions..you won't get that if you give up your education at 14 in order to specialise.


I think her motives are clear, she wants to protect the privileged.
Reading between the lines, she appears to believe that our Universities are becoming polluted by the 'lower classes' who don't give a toss about their education, while conveniently omitting any reference to the fact that all kids are pretty much the same. An equivalent amount of privileged kids probably couldn't give two fucks either and will immediately head for the easiest course available and live off their parents handouts and, eventually, job contacts.

The whole idea goes entirely against the Scottish grain imho.
Every single kid deserves an equal opportunity for education and their chance in life, regardless of how long it might take them to make their minds up.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 07:29:56 PM »

There is no way that there would be an exclusion of studying for normal school exams there would need to be a system of these trade schools allowing both practical and at least the core subjects to be studied and exams sat.

Perhaps you only cover 5 standard grades ,instead of the 8 it is now i think? Therefore it frees up time for the practical side of teaching. Just an example

As I said there can be positives about such schemes its all down to how it is executed.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 07:33:10 PM »

But that's what we're saying, if you leave school at 14 you haven't even begun the 2 years of studying set out for your exams....nevermind actually gained any.

Can't see any environment, other than maybe Ethiopia that something like this could possibly work and/or be benefitial.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 08:06:36 PM »

There is no way that there would be an exclusion of studying for normal school exams there would need to be a system of these trade schools allowing both practical and at least the core subjects to be studied and exams sat.

Perhaps you only cover 5 standard grades ,instead of the 8 it is now i think? Therefore it frees up time for the practical side of teaching. Just an example

As I said there can be positives about such schemes its all down to how it is executed.



I think it's more about headlines than practicality.

She's 'getting noticed'.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 08:19:07 PM »

It's true "Some children at 14 are disengaged from the school environment, they're not part of it."

That said, I'm not sure that they would all bother to learn a trade either.

One thing I noticed on BBC TV news the other day was that the tory I heard speaking was English, I thought the elections were for Scotland's parliament.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 09:18:58 PM »

Bit of a mix and match, they'll maybe send up some 'potentials' to cut their teeth here on a population (percentage wise) that may pay more attention to what they say.

Lets face it, the Anglo's voted the Tories back in (nearly) and you're getting royally fucked.

The Tories will sell your Granny if they see a profit in it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 10:12:15 PM »

I honestly would never agree with anything that thick cunt woman says.

But, erm....as long the kids are well guided on making the decision AND are given remedial standard grade work I quite like the idea. That is, if there was work for these apprenticeships to develop into full time served positions. But there isn't. So it's really a waste of time.

If the work was there, great idea.But her ultimate agenda is free university and college positions ( I reckon) for commercial positions. The more brits/Scots kids that enter college the less non EU places are available, the less money the educational nstitutes can charge and instead have to rely on the government fixed fee for a UK resident. Where as non EU's can be charged what ever the feck the uni/college wants.


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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 11:06:35 PM »

Actually, I'd generally agree that there were too many people going to university these days. I don't need my degree in the slightest to be honest. I learnt most of what I did in a vocational course (a BTEC), and the rest over a summer. The degree got me probably my first interview, but if it was more a level playing field on A-Levels and BTECs etc, being entry points into training it wouldn't be necessary to have a degree.

Uni should be for everyone, but I don't think everyone needs to go. Much like kids being forced to do A-Levels and things that they don't want to do. When I was going through school it was plainly obvious which ones didn't want to be there, and left after GCSEs... and there was a big drop in the amounts of bullshit in classes. Everyone should get the same opportunity, but some just flat out aren't interested.... I know I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do at fourteen (which is why I hated careers councillors), and I bet sod all people have the job they thought they would have at fourteen, but you can tell about that age if you want to be at school or not... I mean feck, how much do decent plumbers get paid? Lots.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 11:27:35 PM »

How much do decent plumbers get paid?
Have you checked?

All the building trades are pretty much fucked at the moment after the housing 'suspension prior to the managed crash'.

You're probably basing your assumption on stuff like Cowboy Builders.

The Tesco in Bellshill has so many tradesmen working in there that it could fall down tomorrow today and be trading again on Wednesday.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 11:31:50 PM »

I don't know.

I only know two plumbers and they both drive BMW's.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 11:42:37 PM »

Shooby wouldn't fit into a BMW.
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