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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 09:05:54 AM »

Sarcasm hit critical mass with my post Woost ;p

I don't think I can vote in this referendum anyway. I've moved since the census and there hasn't been one of those cards round, so I suspect I'm not registered so won't have a polling card.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 09:31:56 AM »

You never know, it says on my polling card that I don't need to take it with me, so you might be registered to vote anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2011, 01:00:28 AM »

Thanks all for the replies.

The fact the conservatives are against it (and Labour fence sitting) is the best argument for it smile

I can't believe they're running the 'it's too difficult' line. The prefect comeback to that is do you think you're dumber than an Aussie smile  (the pro-camp should've used that tongue2)

But as you say Cricky & Wooster - it's often used in many other countries, states and regions besides Australia. I understand they call it Instant Runnoff Voting in the US where it was invented and used in several states and counties there, probably by more people than there are Australians.

(I have a hypothesis as to why the Aussies took it up. I only have circumstantial evidence to back it up, and then old, but it panders to my prejudices smile. Australian Labor and unions >1890 were the most organised labour/union in the world then and stayed strong for many decades, politically united. There was only one party representing the workers, and the right, the parties for the bunyip aristocracies, big businesses and other wealth were splintered over a 1/2 dozen or more at that time. Hence the conservatives needed AV or it would've been Labor every time, and it's conservative interests that always write constitutions. My theory goes to shit lately though. Our conservatives lost the last federal election that they would've won convincingly on FPTP, but still support our form of AV. Tasmania and Australian Capital Territory (my joint) adopted a variation of STV known as Hare-Clarke and it favours progressives more than not.

My biggest surprise was NZ. I had always maintained that big parties would never surrender their privilege for a more representative system. Then NZ Labour and Conservatives in a bi-partisan throat cutting for the betterment of the nation brought in a representative preferential system and I was happily proven wrong. (I've no idea if it's an STV variant or what - looking it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Lagu%C3%AB_method - anyway, I didn't follow the half of that smile but apparently it's really really fair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_Index and it can't be too hard 'cause Kiwis use it smile

Sadly, my cynicism doesn't look to be proven wrong though for the UK. I looked up the betting odds comparisons and pro is paying 6 to 1 and anti is virtually money back.






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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2011, 09:49:11 AM »

http://www.thenewsgrind.com/news/world-news/al-qaeda-using-av-to-elect-bin-laden-successor/

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2011, 11:41:17 AM »

Healthy arguments in a healthy democracy. All is good.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2011, 12:52:59 PM »

Ta for the newsgrind link  biggrin
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2011, 01:40:40 PM »

Ta for the newsgrind link  biggrin

This one is even better..  laugh

http://www.thenewsgrind.com/news/uk-news/bin-laden-and-saddam-hussein-dead-hunt-for-thatcher-stepped-up/

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But analysts warn that even with the death of Thatcher her policies will live on and Tory atrocities could worsen with her martyrdom.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2011, 03:05:15 PM »

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The Independent has a good snappy pros and cons
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/av/a-guide-to-the-pros-and-cons-of-av-2278570.html
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