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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 12:49:16 PM »

That's the thing. There is so much vitriol and hatred towards all candidates. The country is in a tail spin politically. The parties are truly divided by a massive chasm. This is the first time in modern times that a true third party has emerged and has exerted influence. The tea party is mostly a break off of the republicans, but it does include a small percentage of independents. We only have a two party system, so they will run a republicans wearing tea party hats. I don't know what will happen. Maybe Obama will use the occupiers to his advantage and take their message in. That could be true force there. The problem is hat it would split politics eve further apart. The occupiers are getting no respect and are seen as a bunch of hippies and drug dealers. Funny thing is that a considerable majority of the people knocking them did the same thing in the 70's. You have to also consider the race card here. Cain is a joke thrown to the republican African Americans. They want the Hispanic and black vote so bad, yet the can't be taken seriously with the attempt they put out there. He fits the stereotype they so often cast of blacks in the past. I'm not a racist. I have many black and Hispanic friends and rarely does the difference cross my mind. That's why the candidate the republican's put forward angers me so much. They have proven what they think of "other races" and they don't even know it. If you break it down as the way the whole political scene is seen by Americans, you begin to see the frustration of the Americans. The economy sucks and we were all ripped off by the banks and the govt legislation. If you compare wages of today against 1940 wages adjusted for inflation, the top 1% have had pay increases of roughly 11,000 an hour. The bottom 99% have only seen a 1.50$. My grandfather was able to buy a house, two vehicles and all the needed things in life on one salary. Today, it takes two salaries to just survive and provide almost the same. What is wrong with this picture? That is where the anger comes from. My generation is not lazy. In fact we work as hard or harder the our predecessors.
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 01:57:28 PM »

Over the years, I've been struggling to find answers to two questions concerning the US economy. (I'm more than happy to admit to being as ignorant about economic matters generally as the current Republican nominees seem to be, but these two issues somehow stand out)

1) Given the stated ideology of the two parties, why is it that, since 1948, the US growth rate when the Republicans have been in power has, on average been pretty close to half that experienced when the Democrats have been in power?

2) Again, given the ideology of the two parties, why is it that three quarters of the U.S's massive multi-trillion national debt has been racked up under just three Republican Presidents (Reagan and the two Bushes)? I recall the U.S. deficit was nearly wiped out after Jimmy Carter's presidency. Reagan came along and cut taxes on everyone's income. At the same time, he spent money like wild on the Star Wars Defense system and many other projects/handouts. In one term, he had wiped out all of Carter's work and put the U.S. into a record deficit. He continued the same course for his second term and made it worse.

I guess a third question, a corollary of the first two, might be "Is the US in a situation where it can really afford a Republican administration again at the present time, given their low growth, high spending record?"

The questions are metaphorical. Just throwing them out there. Thinking aloud. smile
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2011, 04:10:18 PM »

Continuous short term memory loss? I'm going to have to come back to this one with more time.

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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2011, 04:19:43 PM »

Cutting taxes?
Spending money like wildfire?
Record deficits?

...that sounds awfully familiar.  tongue2
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2011, 07:50:54 PM »

Continuous short term memory loss? I'm going to have to come back to this one with more time.

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Let's see if I can help you out a bit, Therm. smile

Reagan. "I am a fiscal conservative" - The result; record deficits

Bush (1). "I am a fiscal conservative" - The result; new record deficits

Clinton. "I am a tax and spend liberal" - The result; surplus

Bush (2) "I am a fiscal conservative" - The result; really high record deficits

The Republicans claim to be such big free market advocates but now the American taxpayers own Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and they are the proud owners of an insurance company; AIG. All this before Obama became President. I guess taking care of their rich buddies is a little more important than sticking to their principles.
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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2011, 08:06:56 PM »

Politicians saying one thing and then doing the complete opposite sounds awfully familiar as well.  laugh
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2011, 09:18:37 PM »

Wink I like your answer. What of meant was that I needed more time than of had to answer the question. Not that I mind the help. Let me simplify my philosophy of politics. I don't mind a little more tax in favor of taking care of  humanity. I don't mind govt oversight to a point. Clinton tom on to many cuts and basically cut the CIA to so third and culled the militar. I feel the CIA being cut basically disconnected us from the world and gave us no info leading to the terrorist attacks. I think you can go too far with any govt philosophy. I believe in a more balanced approach than either parties platform at the moment. There are so many things left unsaid in my statement, but I've run out of time.

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 08:26:26 AM »

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Clinton tom on to many cuts and basically cut the CIA to so third and culled the militar. I feel the CIA being cut basically disconnected us from the world and gave us no info leading to the terrorist attacks.
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That's a fair and valid viewpoint.

I was typing a detailed response when I came across this article which very accurately articulated my views on Clinton's decisions with regards to the CIA:

http://www.49thparallel.bham.ac.uk/back/issue10/boys.htm



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Ironically, it was George W. Bush’s father who initiated many of the changes that Clinton would implement. In the early 1990s, Bush conducted an examination of the Intelligence Community and instigated a steady series of budgetary cuts from its historic high of $30 billion in 1991, to $28 billion by 1993. Bush also began the reallo­cation of resources “away from old Cold War concerns toward new economic tar­gets, as the world marketplace became an ever more important battlefield for America.” During the Cold War, up to 60% of CIA resources were targeted on the USSR. By 1993, that figure had dropped to 13%.12 CIA analysts would continue to investigate weapons proliferation and traditional espionage activities, but they would now develop an enhanced role in the area of economic espionage.


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What Clinton did was to make past practices official, if sometimes undeclared, policy. This was done in part through a 1995 National Security Strategy statement that noted “collection and analysis can help level the economic playing field by identifying threats to U.S. companies from foreign intelligence services.”  The CIA claimed to have uncovered bribes affecting $30 billion in foreign contracts from 1992 to 1995, giving credence to Secretary of State Christopher’s declaration that “Our national security is inseparable from our economic security.” The weight of America’s national security apparatus was brought to bear in maintaining economic security, as under Clinton, economic intelligence gathering became policy. Economic intelligence became one of the few growth areas at the CIA in the 1990s, proving the Agency could adapt to ever changing circumstances.


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One must recall however, that whilst such attacks occurred, massive terrorist attacks on American soil remained a hypothetical danger in the 1990s. Despite this, Clinton doubled counter terrorist spending across 40 departments and agencies and officially recognised the anger such actions posed. Presidential Decision Directive 35 set out the Clinton Administration’s intelligence collection priorities on March 2, 1995. This represented an elevation in status for a danger that had previously received little attention. This marked the Clinton Administration as “the first to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort, in terms of resources and anti-terrorist activity.” Clinton also devoted some of his highest-profile foreign policy speeches on the subject, including an address to mark the United Nations’ 50th anniversary, when he spoke of the terrorists who had “plotted to destroy the very hall we gather in today.”


It makes interesting reading.



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