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« on: November 28, 2011, 11:59:24 AM » |
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Anyone have any dealings with it yet?
Reading up on it here, how effective will firewalls have to be when its rolled out fully?
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 12:51:24 PM » |
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Well, since everything is publically accessible under IPv6, pretty fricking awesome is my guess. NAT, whilst a bit shit... least gave a bit of privacy from the world.
That said, I can see the world + dog running external interfaces on IPv6 with hardware firewalls, much like they do for IPv4... and then running internal networks on IPv4 because IPv6 addresses are crap and confusing.
I don't see firewalls having to be more effective... I just see there being a need for more firewalls, least that's how I see it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 01:38:01 PM » |
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What about when web based email like Hotmail etc go IPv6, where does that leave home users?
When ISP routers etc are swtiched to IPv6 home users wont be able to access anything if they stay on the "more secure" IPv4.
It might work if the tunneling protocols can reversed to work 4in6 but can they? and even if they can how many tunnel brokers will be needed?
All something a basic home user wont be up on. neither will they be up on configuring an external firewall, never mind afford one.
Unless ISPs supply you with IDS or something, imagine having to rely on Windows Firewall.
It seems like its going to fuck the hole internet up in the air.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 04:52:25 PM » |
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iirc The reason they haven't run out of IPv4 addresses quite yet is because no-one had banked on some rather optimistic companies going out of business and freeing up huge chunks of addresses they'd hoarded.
(Nortel punted over 666,000 earlier in the year for around $11 per IP)
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 08:00:48 PM » |
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Sheeeeeeet thats a handy few bob
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 11:12:50 PM » |
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place i was last, some headcase had assigned a fairly sizeable chunk of public (ipv4) address space to an internal user vlan, that's paid for public address space. interesting fact about ipv6 that blew my mind there's enough address space to assign every person on the planet 4.3 billion unique addresses every second of their lives for a billion years. ipv6 on the whole won't make a lot of difference to "us" the internet punters. It's a painful thing to get your head around though, could they not just add another octet to ipv4?  |
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 11:33:30 PM » |
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That would break the internet though.  |
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 12:01:41 AM » |
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indeed it would imagine this though, ipv4 has 4.3 billion addresses. The guys must have been like "we're safe with this number guys"  with ipv6 you could assign a unique ip to every significantly sized object on the planet, it boggles the mind when you think about the potential for advertising and manufacturing. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 02:22:53 AM » |
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could they not just add another octet to ipv4? I actually am a large advocate for IPv4.1, which I defined as 255.255.255.255.255.255 That'd be easy. Tanks. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 09:08:02 AM » |
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Wasn't IPv4.1 an April Fools joke....(a clue being in the version itself 4/1)  AFIK That'd break the internet as well anyway. Adding to IPv4 would involve millions (billions?) of devices around the world having to be synchronised to switch to the new standard at the same moment, so you need to have something entirely different that can run in parallel with IPv4 until it becomes the accepted standard. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 05:55:25 PM » |
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I wasn't aware of 4.1 jokes existing tbh.
Treat anything with four pairs as v4. Add 0.0 for routing via 4.1. Then you have 255x254 ranges free and the whole internet is sitting on 0.0 and is addressable without significant change. Without even migrating the old addresses.
No ones yet given a good reason why we didn't just bolt on extra. Routers can be quite smart!! V6 notation is tremendously horrid.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 07:02:01 PM » |
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No ones yet given a good reason why we didn't just bolt on extra. it's been discussed http://packetlife.net/blog/2011/apr/1/alternative-ipv6-works/but with ipv6 we can address every individual atom in your body and then beam them around the internet as a method of teleportation.  |
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 07:48:28 PM » |
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That's an article that was posted on April 1st and cites someone at IETF called Joe Kisanyu. Joe Kisanyu geddit? |
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 09:12:02 PM » |
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That's the only article I can find that discusses IPv4.1..people just appear to have copied it. 
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